Some of my friends have been talking about tolerance and respect of religion. They asked myself and others to comment, but since I incline towards the long-winded, I’ve decided to turn my comment into a blog post, and then just promote in shamelessly.
Facts are facts, atheists in America, and many other places aren’t well thought of…
I Would Disapprove if My Child Wanted to Marry a Member of This Group
Atheist 47.6
In this particular study, Atheists did worse than any other group. The common wisdom being that without a fear of gods, or god given example, atheists lack a moral center, and are distinctly different, in a bad way, from people who believe.
But one of my friends asks the question of other atheists:
Have some of us [atheists] brought it upon ourselves?
The argument goes like this, many, or at least some atheists are condescending and arrogant towards religious people and their beliefs. Atheists enjoy mocking religion, and it is this that causes people to view atheists in a bad light.
To some degree, I think this may be true. Minorities often react defensively, and with the ‘New Atheism’ of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris et al… one could without too much trouble draw a connection between activist atheists and a negative reaction from the religious.
But, correlation is not causation, and I think a broader view of history shows something a bit different.
When I was younger I worked more than a few temp jobs, one of them landed me in a call-centre where I ended up partnered with a co-worker who was religious. The subject never really came up until after we had settled into a routine of having lunch together. Then one day, after I let it slip:
Why don’t you believe in god?
This wasn’t said with malice, more incredulity. I don’t think my co-worker had ever met an atheist, or anyone who had openly admitted to being one. My response was indeed somewhat condescending. I said: Well, you don’t believe in Santa Claus do you?
My coworker was offended and said as much. And my response to that was simple: I had been asked a question, and I gave an honest answer. This was accepted rather sheepishly by my coworker, but the working relationship slowly degraded after that day.
Looking back, I think its clear, I acted like a jerk. I took this person’s mystification about atheism personally, and reacted with a challenge. There are, in fact, all sorts of reasons I don’t believe, but I picked the one that, at least on one level, implied that religious people were childish.
Now, I still think its a valid analogy about belief, but taken the wrong way, I see why it offends religious people. There are many thoughtful, educated, and mature people who believe in gods.
So when someone asks that question these days, I respond with: why do you believe?
This addresses the problem in multiple ways. It shows a willingness to listen to their point of view, there is no implied condescension, and it gives me a point of reference. I can then use this point of reference to actually communicate, as opposed to lecturing. I don’t believe in gods for many reasons, and people who do believe, also have many differing reasons.
Now, that said, there are times, and have been times, when god-believers have not been so nice. Historically atheists have been persecuted, and killed, for their non-belief, and even the word ‘atheist’ was originally an insult. Certainly, some of the problems atheists have, come from being defensive, and arrogant. But putting all the blame on atheist shoulders, I think is clearly blaming the victim. There is a bit of a vicious circle here, but the tyranny of the majority is not a delusion of the minority. Some religious people are jerks too.
And as a minority, I do think there are times when you have to stand up for yourself, or be trod upon. This is why I value the contribution of the ‘New Atheists’, arrogance and condescension included.
We are competitive tribal creatures. We often, quite naturally, view the world through the lens of ‘us vs. them’. And as social animals, we find strength in groups, and these groups form around leaders. Leaders, are the people who speak loud enough, and plain enough… to be heard, understood, and followed.
So being loud and proud, is not so much about communicating with the ‘others’, but about communicating with people like us, and claiming our place at the table in civilization. Every religion thinks it has the answers, every political movement, and every ideology and philosophy. Claiming you know the way, means you are claiming that others are wrong. Its unavoidable.
And sometimes the strongest arguments, that rally the troops and get things done, are going to offend your neighbours, who strongly disagree. You can’t help but, on occasion, offend each others sensibilities.
Another of my friends addressed the issue of respect and tolerance for religions, by saying its not just about respecting the person, but also respecting their beliefs. The problem I see with this, is that people draw the line in different places about things they are willing to tolerate. And we’re not all going to agree on where that line is, anymore than we’re going to agree about what we believe.
The upshot is, sometimes the things people believe are going to offend you. Sometimes the way they voice their beliefs is going to offend you.
And sometimes, and this may come as a shock, you’re not on their radar, and what they are saying is not about you, directed at you ….or takes your feelings into consideration. And sometimes, you’re going to be a jerk.
So, what other people believe is not all about you, and you need to deal with it, you mofo.